Розговор:Всевобчой учельник - Revision history

*>Incubator import: Talk:Test-WP/chal/Всевобчой учельник moved to Talk:Всевобчой учельник

2006-10-03T00:44:48Z

Talk:Test-WP/chal/Всевобчой учельник moved to Talk:Всевобчой учельник

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*>Incubator import: Fixing internal links

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Fixing internal links

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	== Latin ==		== Latin ==
	May I feel free to change the [[~~Test-WP/chal/~~%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA#Roman_languages\|latin nonsense]] that is there to something that makes syntactical sense?--[[User:Ioshus\|Ioshus]] 17:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)		May I feel free to change the [[%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA#Roman_languages\|latin nonsense]] that is there to something that makes syntactical sense?--[[User:Ioshus\|Ioshus]] 17:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

	:Sure! The prototypes are just for changing --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 17:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)		:Sure! The prototypes are just for changing --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 17:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

*>Yaroslav Zolotaryov at 21:33, 18 Ревуна 2006

2006-09-18T21:33:14Z

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	I know, not much help, but the philosophers' stone isn't easy to make. It may allow you to speak all tongues, but that's probably because you had to travel all the lands of the world to uncover its secret. [[User:Aliter\|Aliter]] 21:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)		I know, not much help, but the philosophers' stone isn't easy to make. It may allow you to speak all tongues, but that's probably because you had to travel all the lands of the world to uncover its secret. [[User:Aliter\|Aliter]] 21:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

			:: Now the goal is simply - to have examples of simple situations, expressed by different languages. The project is small now, but when it will develop, we will try to invite native speakers from it's wikipedias - now it is too early in my opinion. Ok, I will try to change sentences in order that they will be more monotonious in expression. We plan to make theoretical part of the course, something like Grammatica Universalis, where correct grammar descriptions with tables will be given. But in '''practical aspect''' - and now we work with practical part of the course - it is quite clear to me that the same meaning can be somewhat different expressed in different languages, and some combinations are grammatically correct but stylistically unused. Maybe better that native speakers decide --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 21:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

	== Latin ==		== Latin ==

*>Aliter: Less literal?

2006-09-18T21:17:59Z

Less literal?

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 What will the later examples get to after a few translations?
-I try to use the most common way of expressing the meaning in this languages; anyway, everybody can change the translations --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
+:I try to use the most common way of expressing the meaning in this languages; anyway, everybody can change the translations --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
-This translation shift exists in slavic translations too, but I do not know how to avoid it - for example "Здесь мальчик" will be strange for Russian hear - they say "Это мальчик" in this situation. Tatars always say "Malay bar" (Boy exists), but never "Here is a boy". --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
+:This translation shift exists in slavic translations too, but I do not know how to avoid it - for example "Здесь мальчик" will be strange for Russian hear - they say "Это мальчик" in this situation. Tatars always say "Malay bar" (Boy exists), but never "Here is a boy". --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

*>Yaroslav Zolotaryov at 17:02, 17 Ревуна 2006

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	:May I feel free to change the [[Test-WP/chal/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA#Roman_languages\|latin nonsense]] that is there to something that makes syntactical sense?--[[User:Ioshus\|Ioshus]] 17:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)		:May I feel free to change the [[Test-WP/chal/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA#Roman_languages\|latin nonsense]] that is there to something that makes syntactical sense?--[[User:Ioshus\|Ioshus]] 17:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

			Sure! The prototypes are just for changing --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 17:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

*>Ioshus: that is not latin

2006-09-17T17:00:20Z

that is not latin

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	This translation shift exists in slavic translations too, but I do not know how to avoid it - for example "Здесь мальчик" will be strange for Russian hear - they say "Это мальчик" in this situation. Tatars always say "Malay bar" (Boy exists), but never "Here is a boy". --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)		This translation shift exists in slavic translations too, but I do not know how to avoid it - for example "Здесь мальчик" will be strange for Russian hear - they say "Это мальчик" in this situation. Tatars always say "Malay bar" (Boy exists), but never "Here is a boy". --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

			:May I feel free to change the [[Test-WP/chal/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA#Roman_languages\|latin nonsense]] that is there to something that makes syntactical sense?--[[User:Ioshus\|Ioshus]] 17:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

*>Yaroslav Zolotaryov at 23:50, 16 Ревуна 2006

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	I try to use the most common way of expressing the meaning in this languages; anyway, everybody can change the translations --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)		I try to use the most common way of expressing the meaning in this languages; anyway, everybody can change the translations --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

			This translation shift exists in slavic translations too, but I do not know how to avoid it - for example "Здесь мальчик" will be strange for Russian hear - they say "Это мальчик" in this situation. Tatars always say "Malay bar" (Boy exists), but never "Here is a boy". --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

*>Yaroslav Zolotaryov at 23:46, 16 Ревуна 2006

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	* Here is a boy.		* Here is a boy.
	What will the later examples get to after a few translations?		What will the later examples get to after a few translations?

			I try to use the most common way of expressing the meaning in this languages; anyway, everybody can change the translations --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov\|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 23:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

*>Aliter: Differences

2006-09-16T23:37:22Z

Differences

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The Spanish, Italian and French miss the negation on the second sentence: The more serious problem might be the translational shift, though. Examples in these texts:
* It is a boy.
* This is a boy.
* There is a boy.
* Here is a boy.
What will the later examples get to after a few translations?